Interview with Julia Leigh, author of AVALANCHE

7432976-1x1-700x700We spoke to Julia Leigh, author of Avalanche, at the start of our National Fertility Awareness Week and began by asking her what she thought of the idea.

It’s a wonderful idea which I hope will focus more attention on under-reported fertility issues. Also, it’s a special way to bring together those whose lives have been touched by infertility.

Do you think we are too reluctant to speak openly about fertility issues?
There’s no reluctance on the part of the multi-billion dollar worldwide fertility industry to promote this area of medicine. For example, this month [October] the American Society for Reproductive Medicine Scientific Congress & Expo took place in Salt Lake City, Utah. Exhibitors represented at the Expo included a fertility clinic network; a myriad of ‘bio tech’, ‘health technology’, ’genetic screening’ and ’diagnostic solutions’ laboratories; biopharmaceutical manufacturers; food and vitamin supplement manufacturers; pharmacists; surrogacy and donor organisations; laboratory equipment suppliers; attorneys; insurers; cryobankers and cryoshippers; marketing and brand strategists; a big data analyst; specialist software providers; and a joint venture partner who promised to turn growing medical practices into successful businesses. There’s also no reluctance on the part of the media to report successful ‘miracle’ births. There is a reluctance, however, to talk openly about the plain fact that most treatment cycles fail. To give some perspective, about 80% of treatment cycles fail. There’s also a disturbing reluctance to talk openly about the physical and emotional harms of treatment. It’s almost as if patients and doctors and others in the fertility world are so bewitched by the beautiful possibility of a ‘live birth’ that they turn a blind eye to the real harms.

Your book Avalanche about your own story is intensely personal – was it difficult to be so open in public?
At the time of writing I felt that I’d already lost so much I didn’t care about losing face – and that afforded me an enormous freedom. My heart goes out to anyone who is doing treatment now.

What made you want to write the book?
I wrote an Author’s Note for my publishers and I think it gives the best idea of why I wanted to write the book. Here it is:
A writer contemplating whether or not to begin a new work asks herself – Is this truly a story worth telling? Avalanche felt necessary. I’ve tried to tell an intensely personal story about a common experience that has largely remained unspoken. I wanted to offer a ‘shared aloneness’ to anyone who has desperately longed for a child. I hope I’ve brought into the light the way the IVF industry really works – and I could only do that in non-fiction. I wanted to transmit what it feels like to be on the so-called ‘emotional roller-coaster’, to deeply honour that complex experience in all its detail. Ways of loving, the mysteries of the body, the vagaries of science, the ethics of medicine – the material raised so many questions. I started writing it very soon after I made the decision to stop treatment because I wanted to capture my strong feelings before they were blanketed by time. I wanted to write something for all the women who are contemplating IVF, or currently undergoing it, or who have stopped or who are thinking about stopping (it’s so hard – the decision to ‘give up’). I wanted to speak to their family and friends. I wanted to speak to young women who in a misguided way might be relying on fertility treatment as a kind of back-up. And I wanted to speak to the policy-makers too. Since there is so much IVF failure I wanted to provide an alternative voice to the miracle stories we frequently see in the media. I wanted to counter the push – yes, the push – of the worldwide multi-billion dollar IVF industry.

Do you think people need more emotional support when they are going through treatment?
It’s difficult to discuss treatment with family and friends but in so doing a patient can lighten the emotional burden. There’s also the counselling option. In my case, the clinic offered free in-house counselling as part of the very expensive treatment package…but I would advise seeking an outside independent therapist. I say this because the decision to stop treatment, to give up, that incredibly painful decision, sits uncomfortably with the fact that clinics are making money from their patients. In my case, when I was 44, using my own eggs, and I’d already done 2 IUI’s and 6 egg collections plus subsequent transfers, my doctor suggested I try once more. It was my sister who had the courage to tell me firmly that I needed to stop. I feel an independent therapist would be well-placed to basically warn patients of the emotional pitfalls that can lay ahead. Is there such a thing as pro-active counselling? Identifying the traps for new players and advising how best to respond to them…identifying the tricks of the mind that don’t serve patients well…I think a therapist who was familiar with the IVF world, who had experience in this area, would be best.

And do you think there is adequate support when treatment doesn¹t work?
There was little to no follow-up from my clinic after I decided to stop treatment. I can’t recall exactly – there may have been one phone call. I saw an independent therapist.

Here in the UK, the individual success rates for individual clinics are collated and published by the fertility regulator, the HFEA, and are broken down by age too. Do you think access to information like this would have made a difference to you?
Yes I would have loved to see results for my individual clinic. That would have helped. But I also want to note that I did see the graphs on my clinic website which used our ANZARD data and clearly showed how fertility dropped away with age. (The ANZARD report collates data from all clinics in Australia and New Zealand but doesn’t identify individual clinics). And when I was 40 my first doctor at the clinic said I had about a 20% chance of ‘taking home a baby’. BUT as it happened, at age 43, when I was transferring a thawed 5 day blastocyst, using my own egg, I asked my new doctor what my odds were of being pregnant (please note, pregnancy not live birth). Even though I’d seen the fertility graphs I figured my chances would somehow be better than the average because unlike some patients my age I was both responding to drugs and producing blastocyts: “Pollyanna Juggernaut could do amazing things with the numbers.” In reply to my question about odds, the doctor said “A Day 5 blastocyst has about a 40% chance.” I took that to mean I had a 40% chance of being pregnant – but later I discovered the 40% figure was for women of all ages. I hope that illustrates how statistics can be malleable…

What changes do you think we could make to try to ensure that fewer women suffer the kind of anguish you went through?
That’s a good question and I don’t have any easy answers. I wonder if there couldn’t be a buffer between women – especially older women – who are prepared to do almost anything to have a child and the clinics who are prepared to put patients through almost anything even though there is no guarantee of a successful outcome, far from it. In Australia a well-respected doctor put a patient through 37 cycles. 37! He had no qualms about that since she did end up with a child. But what if she hadn’t? I’m not sure what happens in the UK but in my case it was my General Practitioner who referred me to the fertility clinic. My GP never asked how my treatment was going. I wonder if GP’s could step in as a buffer, walk patients through the facts and figures, help decide whether or not to do an experimental protocol advocated by the clinic that will cause physical harm but has limited evidence of benefit, to basically serve as a ‘reality check’. There’s a great deal clinics can do to change…For example, during an embryo transfer my doctor pointed to an image of the blastocyst on the ultrasound screen and said ‘That’s the baby’. At the time, I thought it generous and I was touched that the doctor might be the only person in the world who would ever refer to ‘my baby’ but in retrospect the comment – that’s the baby – only heightened my intense desire for a child.

2 thoughts on “Interview with Julia Leigh, author of AVALANCHE

  1. What a very honest interview from Julia. I am appalled at the chance figure (40%) she was given. My experience in the UK, was to be given a string of zeros so I decided against IVF. Her comments about seeing an independent counsellor are interesting, my guess is most counselling is in-house. Could I mention that qualified fertility counsellors can be found on the BICA website. There are many general counsellors who put fertility as one of their specialties, but it is better to see someone who has the knowledge and experience of this complex field.

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